In this episode of Ayahuasca Podcast host Sam Believ (founder of http://www.lawayra.com) has a conversation with Jessica DiRuzza, a depth psychotherapist, astrologer, and educator. Jessica is the co-founder of Trust Psyche, where she integrates depth psychology and archetypal astrology to guide transformation. With 15+ years of experience, she teaches internationally, hosts the Trust Psyche podcast, and mentors students blending soul-centered insight with practical healing.

We touch upon topics of:

  • Jessica’s journey from psychedelics to astrology (00:55)
  • Archetypal astrology vs. mainstream astrology (05:25)
  • Jessica reads Sam’s chart live (06:33)
  • Fate vs free will in astrology (19:22)
  • Astrology as a tool for psychedelic integration (24:03)
  • World transits and the psychedelic renaissance (27:34)
  • Shadow work and astrology (31:04)
  • Astrology, trauma, and karma (32:18)
  • Using astrology as a diagnostic tool (35:14)
  • Relationships, compatibility, and spiritual bypassing (37:10)
  • Neurodivergence and astrology (41:39)
  • Astrology, mysticism, and ancient knowledge (45:07)
  • Sam’s nodal return and soul’s evolutionary path (47:44)

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Find more about Jessica at trustpsyche.com, on YouTube at Trust Psyche, and on Instagram at @trust.psyche

Transcript

Sam Believ: You’re listening to ayahuasca podcast.com.

Jessica DiRuzza: The experience I had was on a high dose of LSD. I was 20 years old, and I had the experience of reliving my birth and simultaneously giving birth to myself. This is seen in the literature from Stan Groff on the perinatal matrices and people having these experiences of reliving their birth.

The same time that was happening, I left space time and in that process of leading space time, I went through what’s called the archetypal dimensional reality. And in the archetypal dimensional reality, which is like the space between the dual and the non-dual or what’s going on here on earth.

And then the infinite light of the all the archetypal realm is essentially our ability to recognize the patterns of energy seen as God’s didi’s archetypes. And I was given that through this experience. And when I came the. Back into my body and space time. It was like I was given this kind of download of astrology and it just so happened to be that the person I was doing this experience with worked with Stan Groff and Richard Carness, who’s.

Life work together has been about bringing together psychedelics and astrology, and so I started studying with them and training with them. Essentially, it was one of the biggest synchronicities of my life that I happened to be in the very place when this happened, of the two people who found in our modern time, the connection between astrology.

And the planet’s literally aligned.

Sam Believ: Hi guys, and welcome to Ayahuasca podcast. As always, we did the whole Sam, and today I’m interviewing Jessica Di Rua, dea or DI Rua.

Jessica DiRuzza: Yeah, dea.

Sam Believ: Okay. Jessica Za, MFT is a depth psychotherapist, astrologer and educator. She’s the co-founder of Trust Psyche, where she integrates depth psychology and archetypal astrology to guide personal transformation.

With over 15 years of experience, Jessica teaches internationally host the Trust Psyche podcast and offers courses and mentorship. That blend, soul centered Insight with Practical Healing. This episode is sponsored by Laira Ayahuasca Retreat. At Laira, we combine affordability, accessibility, and authenticity.

Laira connect, heal, grow. Guys, I’m looking forward to hosting you. Jessica, welcome to the show.

Jessica DiRuzza: Thanks so much, Sam. I’m delighted to be here with you,

Sam Believ: Jessica. What brought you into this line of work? Can you tell us your story?

Jessica DiRuzza: I started doing plant medicine when I was 18 years old, and about two years into doing it, I discovered astrology when I was in the middle of an experience on the medicine, and it radically opened up my worldview, my cosmology, my metaphysics.

And it felt like a deep homecoming and had been waiting my entire life for this moment, and so I decided to pursue. Studying astrology and becoming a professional astrologer and moved out to San Francisco, California, did my undergrad there. And in the process of giving as astrological readings, I realized that ethically I needed to study psychotherapy because the work was so deep and intense.

And so I went to grad school for psychotherapy to become the very best astrologer I could be and to. Also have a chance at real love and to have a family of my own one day. And after pursuing psychology, I realized that my life’s calling was to integrate and weave specifically psychology, astrology and medicine.

And here I am.

Sam Believ: Great story. Very you could probably write a book about this. You definitely. Definitely been been guided just like many of us. So for those of you listening, as you can probably tell, this episode is gonna be about astrology. And astrology is not widely accepted, or many people are not excited about it.

So I, I guess I had a very similar belief prior to this, but in as I listened to some of your work and I was getting ready. I got a little less skeptical, so I’m a skeptic by nature. I was skeptic about Ayahuasca before I tried it for the first time, and I’m skeptic about everything, which is a good thing.

But I also, because I was so skeptic about Ayahuasca before trying it, now, I’m trying to be a bit more open. And in preparation for this episode, what I did was I went to chat, GPT and I recommend you guys do it as well, because it’s very easy. You just put in your name no, not your name, your date of birth, your time of birth, and your place of birth.

And it just generates a chart for you and it just tells you things about yourself, which are extremely accurate. It really shocked me. So if you are a skeptic, I recommend you listen to it and maybe you learn something new. Yeah. Talk to us about that, the skepticism about your topic. How do you, it’s like when I promote, I’ll ask someone on internet, I get this hate comments, oh, you’re just selling drugs, whatever.

For people that don’t understand what kind of comments do you get?

Jessica DiRuzza: Sure. Astrology’s not real. That’s a pseudoscience. That’s, woo. You’re crazy. And those are all valid, and I have a deep respect and reverence for skepticism. If you’re not skeptical, I’m not sure what you’re doing.

But I would say that my response to that around astrology is it’s no more wild than us having existence. Being alive and having consciousness like that is for sure the most wild thing out there. That there is something instead of nothing. So when we start from that cosmological understanding, something like astrology becomes much more possible to accept.

Sam Believ: So my dad was really into astrology still there, and like I remember growing up, he had those little. Little calendars that, for each month, for each birth sign that he would give it to us. This is a bad day, this is a good day. Which is obviously, as you say, it’s ridiculous to imagine that 12 part of the population will have the same experience that day.

So talk to us about the difference of sort of mainstream astrology, bastar that version and like a proper stuff.

Jessica DiRuzza: Yeah, so an archetypal astrology, which is what I practice. We don’t just look at the sun sign, which is based on where the sun was on your birthday, but we look at where the sun was, the moon was, and the eight other planets in our solar system, including.

Pluto and those all form geometrical or angular relationships to one another called aspects. And every combination has a range of expression from light to shadow or life enhancing to life destroying or clear to distorted, and depending on. What you were born with. It reflects to you, your personality, your psyche your career, your relationship issues, your family, your karma, and so on.

And it’s a much more in-depth and complex system than just looking at one 12th of the Zodiac for any particular sign.

Sam Believ: Okay, so I gave you my birth time. And date, did you get some information on me or no, or not?

Jessica DiRuzza: Of course, yes. I have your chart here in front of me.

Sam Believ: If we can maybe share what you found.

If it’s not too long, like under, let’s say three minutes, you can share it to people. And I guess my listeners should know enough about me to say whether it is. Accurate or not.

Jessica DiRuzza: Okay. Since you invited me to do that, then I’m gonna speak freely and I don’t know anything about you. So we just met. So you are a Taurus and the sun was conjunct the planet Jupiter when you were born and that.

Was also in an opposition to Pluto. So the sun is your identity, it’s your sense of self, it’s your ego and it’s how you uniquely and creatively shine forth in the world in your own individual way. And Jupiter is the planet of blessings, good fortune, abundance, growth, philosophy. Carries like the king archetype with it.

So some Jupiter people like yourself tend to live a very charmed life. They tend to be very fortunate and blessed in whatever it is that they pursue and tend to be successful and to achieve a certain level of status with wherever you focus your life force energy. But it’s opposite Pluto. That deepens and intensifies it.

And Pluto is the archetype that relates to nature, and it also relates to transformation and evolution through the death and rebirth process. So San Jupiter, Pluto, people like yourself tend to be initiated into the mystery rights and tend to have pretty. Intense and extreme experiences in their life.

They tend to go really deep and live on the edge. Also have a profound connection with nature and animals. But also the Sun Jupiter Pluto person is someone who is very ambitious and driven and. Is constantly going through processes of catharsis and it very much you can get the image like the phoenix rising from the ashes.

This is someone who goes deep and intense, but then also rises up and above. And so it’s a very powerful combination to be born with. And you also in com combination with all that, and I’ll end with this last piece is. You are also born with the Moon and Aquarius, conjunct Mars t squaring this and the moon.

Mars is the part of you that is more direct and blunt and straight to the point, very assertive, more masculine, more young in your presentation. And so there’s a lot of strength and power in what you carry, but there’s also a little bit of. Potentially combativeness and argumentativeness. And when you lose your temper, it’s can be pretty intense and even scary and at times dark or challenging to be with.

So I’m gonna leave it at that. We could say so much more. What do you think so far?

Sam Believ: So it’s really good. Obviously it’s pretty. Somebody could say yeah, you could kinda think of that because, I run a podcast and I ask Retreat and kinda yeah, obviously ambitious in nature mysticism.

But it’s because you could do that, but Che g PT doesn’t know it. I just gave him dates and I tried it with sub several people on my team and I even asked it to create. Our compatibility, and it’s extremely interesting. It’s honestly, one of my favorite topics now is astrology for ever since I stumbled that podcast episode and then I decided to interview, I was like, let me look into that.

And think it’s just really impressive. Like somehow it, the stars and where the planets were. Affects the way your life is. And so can you maybe try and explain that a little bit? How is that even possible that Pluto is somebody, even questions whether it’s a planet or not, but it’s affecting my life and even it’s affecting even cultural change.

So talk to us about that.

Jessica DiRuzza: Yeah, so I think of it less as like it’s affecting or causing it and more that it’s a correlation. It’s like a mirroring effect, and you can think of it as holographic that phrase as above, so below. So it’s indicating that these are the energies or the archetypes that are present at the moment of your birth that also show us the type of birth experience you had as well.

And so when I think of it, I think of it more of an ecosystem, like it’s an extension of the ecosystem here on earth. And just like how we can learn the names of plants and birds and trees we can also learn about the spirit of a plant. So like psilocybin has a certain spirit to it, ayahuasca has a certain spirit to it, certain qualities, so do the planets ev. Every planet has certain qualities or energies that are correlated with it, and that we have as a civilization throughout every era on this planet. Agreed more or less on the meaning of all the planets on what Venus is on what Mars is. And throughout different civilizations over history, we have been watching where the planets are in the sky and connecting it to what we’re seeing going on in earth.

And over time, that has given us. This ability to essentially track or map what’s going on here on earth in our human existence by using the stars as like a compass or a map that we would use to navigate a ship. So that’s how I think of it. But nobody actually knows why it works or how it works. That’s a mystery.

Sam Believ: So you came from psychedelics to astrology and there was an experience which. Connected you to it. So maybe you can talk to us more about that experience and also what is the connection between psychedelics and astrology, if any.

Jessica DiRuzza: Okay. So the experience I had was on a high dose of LSDI was 20 years old and.

In that experience I had the experience of reliving my birth and simultaneously giving birth to myself. This is seen in the literature from Stan Groff on the perinatal matrices and people having these experiences of reliving their birth. And at the same time that was happening, I left space time.

In that process of living, leaving space time, I went through what’s called the archetypal dimensional reality, and in the archetypal dimensional reality, which is like the space between the dual and the non-dual, or what’s going on here on earth, and then the infinite light of the all. The archetypal realm is essentially our ability to recognize the patterns of energy seen as God’s DDS archetypes.

And I was given that through this experience and when I came back into my body and space time, it was like I was given this kind of download of astrology. And it just so happened to be that the person I was doing this experience with worked with Stan Groff and Richard Tarnas, whose life work together has been about bringing together psychedelics and astrology.

And so I started studying with them and, training with them essentially. And it was one of the biggest synchronicities of my life that I happened to be in the very place when this happened, of the two people who found in our modern time, the connection between astrology, the planets literally aligned.

Yeah.

Sam Believ: Cool. So you mentioned archetypes. Talk to us a little bit more about that.

Jessica DiRuzza: So the word archetype just essentially means that there’s a form that we can universally recognize, like the human is an archetype, right? We have the ability to recognize us by our head and our two arms and our two legs, but also we carry certain qualities that make us human like we’re born and when we die.

So that’s an archetype. And everything more or less can be an archetype if it shares a kind of universal form. And so originally Plato and Aristotle in the great tradition talked about archetypes. And you see the evolution of our understanding of archetypes throughout history. But essentially we could look at something like the planet Venus, and the planet Venus carries the archetypes of love.

Beauty relationship. So when we go to look at your birth chart, we looked where the planet Venus was and that can tell us about the way that you love and the types of relationships that you have. And we could look at your chart and describe your relationship dynamics based on the fact that you carry these universal archetypes that connect with the planet Venus.

Sure it’s very vulnerable ’cause you have a pretty dynamically challenging placement of Venus. It’s conjunct Chiron, which is the wounded healer and venous Chiron is a very vulnerable and tender placement of Venus because it indicates there being quite a bit of pain and wounding around love and the heart.

And with women and the feminine and that there’s like an exquisite sensitivity and vulnerability there for you, like the wounded heart the and the pain in relationship. But it’s also like the love of healing and the love of medicine and the love of healing the heart through medicine. But your Venus is in an opposition to Uranus, which is more about a love of freedom and it’s a more of an exec eccentric, unique way of being in relationship that breaks the traditional mold.

But paradoxically, at the same time, you have Venus, Saturn, which is more of the aspect of traditional marriage or partnership. And so you carry this paradoxical tension and conflict within yourself of these two very opposing places, the one that wants freedom and independence and to do things in a unique and different way, but then the part that also needs security and stability and to be more.

Traditional. And then lastly, the planet Neptune is there and that brings in the spiritual component of it and it brings in the part two that carries with it potentially a lot of grief and anguish and even at times despair around love and relationship. Both romantically, but also with friendship as well.

Sam Believ: So that sucks for me, but it’s very accurate.

Jessica DiRuzza: It’s one of the hardest combinations to be born with that you have.

Sam Believ: Yeah. People are getting, my listeners are really getting to know me now.

Jessica DiRuzza: They are, we’re just scrapped at the tip of the iceberg.

Sam Believ: Yeah, so the archetypes. Some people also, in psychedelic experiences, they experience entities and some, there is some connection between entities and archetypes.

Can you talk to us about that?

Jessica DiRuzza: I think entities can be like a form of an archetype. So an archetype can be very wide ranging in how it manifests or expresses itself, and one form of that could be an entity. So it’s one possibility that when you’re on psychedelics, you can encounter an entity and that takes a certain kind of form to it.

So yeah, entities are a form of an archetype.

Sam Believ: You tell me things about myself that I know that are very accurate and I kinda begs the question, if everything is preset, can I even, I, I come to drink, I ask to change something about me and make better.

It’s can I even, or it’s all preset. Do we even have free will? Noticing that this astrology stuff is actually pretty accurate. Like, where does it put us from the point of view of. Let’s say self-improvement with our healing journey.

Jessica DiRuzza: I think ultimately it empowers us to do it because on the one hand, it’s like a deep cosmic or spiritual validation of your life, including your pain and suffering.

I, when you look at your chart and you learn about it, it’s oftentimes described as one of the most powerful experiences of truly being seen. By the universe. And so I think just starting there can really bring us into a sense of. The rightness of our life and the truth of what our path is all about.

But I think that it’s paradoxical. I think on the one hand, we do have free will. I do think that we have choice and that we participate in co-creating or re-shaping our life. At the same time, that’s not the only thing at play. There’s also fate and karma, and we have a path that’s laid before us, but how we walk that path, I do think we have choice around that.

Astrology should ultimately empower us to do better once we know better. And the same is true with ayahuasca or any plant medicine. Is it? Hopefully gives us a chance to do things better for ourselves and for our loved ones. So it’s both fate and free will. It’s both Karma and dharma. It’s both choice.

And there are a certain makeup that you carry that is an escapable. So it’s not about escaping it, but it’s about learning how to live even better within who you are and how you’re made up.

Sam Believ: I came up with this analogy a long time ago where I envision in this pondering on destiny versus what’s available to us.

’cause I’ve done things that changed my life a lot. I, eight years ago I came to Columbia 10 years ago, I didn’t know what Columbia was and what Ayahuasca was. I didn’t speak Spanish and now I am in Colombia and I run one of the best treats in the country and obviously in Spanish and in English.

So it’s like you can definitely do a lot with your life if you really want to. But at the same time, I believe in fate as well, in a way that there is some kind of predetermined path. So the analogy I came up with is that life is a really wild, wide river. The destiny’s sort of wide river and it goes left and right.

There’s some islands and some little offshoots and some beaches you can embark upon, and you are you cannot go against the flow. Neither you can leave the river, but you can paddle your way to more nicer parts or less nicer parts, depending on your efforts. So I don’t know if it if you maybe have a better analogy or if you agree with it or not.

Jessica DiRuzza: Yeah. I don’t have a better analogy, but I, yeah, I think so. I think it is a beautiful, mysterious mixture of those things that you just described. And if we were to root it back into your chart again, like I would say to you I can see where you have experienced broken heartedness in your life, and I can see that pain that you carry there.

And I know that’s like the experiences that you went through in your childhood, in your past that have, created these pain points in your life. That will never go away, but you can learn how to love and care for yourself. And heal those parts and do it differently today and moving forward, if you so choose to draw your loving attention through compassion and kindness there.

And, doing a healthy dose of shadow work like ayahuasca and astrology get us to do the river is. It’s taking you somewhere, but like whether or not you go with the flow or try to get off or try to get back on, or you need a break or you try to go upstream instead of down, yeah, you have a pretty strong hand in that.

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Grow L-A-W-A-Y-R a.com. Let’s talk a little bit about psychedelics just to keep our audience engaged because that’s what their interest put in. How can we use astrology as a tool to make sense of the psychedelic experience, or maybe even as a tool to integrate?

Jessica DiRuzza: Yeah, so this was a lot of what the work that my husband Travis and I do here at Trust Psyche for people who do psychedelics is help them integrate.

What their experiences were by also looking at not just their birth chart, but their personal transits. So where the planets are in the sky relative to where they were when they were born. Can show us what you’re going through right now and what this time in your life is about, both in the gifts and challenges that you face, and our psychedelics as these very powerful amplified experiences really make the astrology even more clear so we can use the astrology to help.

Integrate all of the lessons and the teachings and the experiences that we have on psychedelics, and we can also use it to help us prepare for the experience. It’s common for people to wanna look at and even potentially time. Sessions that they’re going to have based on the position of the planet, because they’re looking for maybe a certain type of experience or a certain area that maybe they’re wanting healing around.

There are certain alignments that are more conducive for those types of experiences. And so you can also use astrology in that way as well.

Sam Believ: And how can one do it? Obviously one of the ways is. To get in touch with you and we’ll leave your contact later, but let’s say, is there any maybe easier way to do it if somebody, let’s say, doesn’t want to do the whole session?

Jessica DiRuzza: I don’t really have an ethical answer for that because I think you could experiment with chat and see what it says. My only concern there with that when it comes to psychedelics and timing and integration. Is there’s more complexity going on there in the human experience, especially psychologically that I think it requires someone who’s trained to actually be able to guide and interpret that.

That being said, it’s okay, if you wanna put in. To chat, like chat what your psychedelic experience was, and then put in your birth info and then the date you had the experience and say, could you please interpret the experience that I had on this date given that I did Ayahuasca and I had this experience take place.

Can you help me integrate it? I bet it would attempt to do that, and that could be like a way to try it.

Sam Believ: So we’re not comparing apples, oranges here, obviously. It’s like using che GPT as your astrologist is like frozen pizza. And obviously we’re talking about some fancy restaurant stuff here.

So definitely. But it could be a good beginning for someone who’s exploring, including myself, I am very early into that. That’s why I’m asking all those questions. Can you. Explain the positions of the planets affect individual people, but they also affect us as a culture.

And there is some pattern that seems to be repeating every around the time every psychedelic renaissance comes around.

Jessica DiRuzza: Yeah, so those are called world transits, and that’s a form of astrology called mundane astrology, where you look at. Particular where the outer planets are, to give you an understanding of what’s going on culturally.

So I could give you an example of that right now is there’s a Saturn Neptune conjunction, and this happens once every 36 years. And the Saturn Neptune time period that we’re all collectively in right now is a time where our, the human species goes through a pretty. Intense spiritual maturation where we’re very confronted with all of the problems and issues going on in the world.

So it’s often experienced as a kind of crisis and consciousness or an existential crisis where you see a pretty big uptick in things like. Depression and anxiety, mental illness, psychotic breaks because there’s such a profound spiritual grappling with who we are as a species. Historically, looking at the things that we’ve done and our karma and the consequences of that on a collective level, and like the ideal vision of who we wanna be as.

Humanity goes, and so all of the ways that we feel like we’re failing in that or that we’ve missed the mark or that we’re causing harm and danger to one another, there’s often this experience where we go through a period of despair or we go through a period of feeling apathetic or a loss of hope or faith while at the same time.

It can be a powerful time to deepen into people’s spiritual practices. Things like meditation, yoga, ayahuasca that ground you more to your connection with source. So we’re in that time right now. The last time it happened was actually when you were born in 1988 89. And. It’s a very challenging aspect because it forces us to look at the parts of ourselves individually and collectively, that we probably don’t wanna look at where we are being delusional, where we’re being deceptive where we’re living in denial or disassociation from the actions that we all take as human beings.

Sam Believ: What is and another thing that is somewhat similar in the way it feels and looks like to astrology is human design. Do you know anything about it? What are the similarities and what are the differences?

Jessica DiRuzza: I’m not trained in human design. I know that it uses astrology and then so much more.

People get a lot out of it. That’s something that’s relatively easy to put your information in online and get back an interpretation of your human design. And a lot of people find it really accurate. So it uses astrology, but it also uses so much more than that.

Sam Believ: Okay. So I’ll have to find another person to interview then.

Jessica DiRuzza: Yes, I think so.

Sam Believ: You mentioned shadow work. They call ayahuasca shadow medicine because it works on that aspect of our psyche. So let’s just sum up what shadow work is to, to the audience. And then we talk about how does astrology work on that.

Jessica DiRuzza: Yeah, so the shadow is defined as the unintegrated, unconscious place inside of every human being.

And we all have a shadow. We all are unconscious and have parts of the self that are not developed, underdeveloped or unintegrated into our psyche. And so shadow work is. Being able to go into those unconscious unintegrated parts of oneself and look at it, become conscious of it, and then take radical responsibility for it and learn how to essentially be a better person by looking at the ways in which we either are harming or hurting ourselves or harming or hurting those around us.

Sam Believ: Shadow is caused by trauma normally, but then trauma is caused by events in life. And then events in life are somewhat influenced by the planet. So in the end, we have a predetermined trauma. So that all of us, or because it for some reason do you believe in like necessity of trauma as a catalyst for self-improvement.

Jessica DiRuzza: I think being a human being in part by definition is traumatic. Having consciousness, self-reflective consciousness is traumatic. And I think every human being has trauma to varying degrees, but just the act of being human and being born is a traumatic experience. It’s not all that it is, but it is a big part of it.

Sam Believ: Being alive is painful. That’s that’s true. That’s what Buddhism is all about, living in suffering. Any connection between astrology and karma?

Jessica DiRuzza: Yes, very much the whole chart in a way can. Tell you a story about your karma, but there’s specific planets that you would look to get like a more detailed description of your karma.

So yes, the chart can tell you a story about your karma.

Sam Believ: What is that chart that you mentioned? How does it look like, how does one make it, what is the process? If you can give us a little bit of a insight,

Jessica DiRuzza: like how to pull up a. Astrology chart. How to do it? Yeah, there’s free apps online like astro.com for example.

I use a pro program called Astro Gold. That’s pretty affordable, but you can do it for free and you just put in your birth info and it pulls up a visual of the chart and then some programs will interpret it for you, like chat. TP does, but if you’re wanting to, for example, really get into understanding Karma better, then you would wanna look at things like Saturn, the South Note and Pluto, and that would help tell you a more kind of detailed story about some of the karma that you might be carrying.

But to get a visual of it, yeah, go to astro.com or, and maybe even chat, would give you a visual of it at this point.

Sam Believ: Yeah, it never gave me a visual, so I’ve never seen one.

Jessica DiRuzza: It’s a circle and in the center is you, and then around you are the planets in the different houses and signs that then form angular relationships to one another.

It’s like geometry. It’s like your mandala, your own personal mandala of your psyche.

Sam Believ: How can we use astrology as a diagnostic tool?

Jessica DiRuzza: Very carefully. It can tell you pretty detailed information about you and your psychology and your personality. It can tell you where you are really gifted and then it can show you where you’re really challenged.

And so you can use it that way psychologically to understand yourself better. But it can’t tell you. There’s a lot of things it can’t tell you, and that’s just as important. Like it can’t tell you if. You are bipolar. It can’t tell you if you are on the spectrum. There’s a lot of things it can’t tell you, but what it can tell you it can tell you in great detail.

Sam Believ: Yeah. Yeah some things are definitely not, maybe when the astrology was created, they did not even exist, like modern sort of issues. Are you worried that people that. Maybe are too much into astrology, might do lots of spiritual bypassing as in, I actually don’t need to change because that’s the way I am.

’cause

Jessica DiRuzza: of course, oh my God nothing repulses me more than the astrological community that is spiritually bypassing. And it’s a huge shadow piece of the astrological community is that it has a tendency to spiritually bypass and intellectualize this. Yeah, it’s deeply concerning and I don’t like it.

Sam Believ: What about relationships? How can we use, how can we use astrology? Let’s say what I did was, once again with Chad GPT, I got, there was a meme somewhere on internet. It is like a guy’s messaging his mother and saying mom, what time was I born? And then she replies.

Run away from that girl because it’s like, maybe a bad sign. But I did ask my wife about her birth time and we put it all in and it was actually very positive. Like we basically complete each other and it’s 95% compatibility because basically what she has, I don’t, and vice versa.

So we like really balance each other out. But there is definitely some challenges as well. And that’s, you alluded to earlier, it’s very accurate. There’s, it’s difficult nevertheless. How does it do it? Should people do it? Should they know? Should they not know?

Jessica DiRuzza: I think it depends on where a person’s at in their life.

I do think you do best with it when there’s a certain level of emotional and psychological maturity. It’s a very powerful tool, and it’s not for everybody, and sometimes it can be really destabilizing for somebody to look at it. Before they’re ready or if they’re don’t feel supported in their life.

I think that, you, if you are in a place where you feel called to look at it and you feel like you’re ready to see what it is that it shows you, then it can be an incredibly powerful and healing practice for relationships and looking at relationship dynamics and doing shadow work around relationship.

If that’s something you wanna do, essentially just like how to. Do better with the ones that you love by understanding, maybe why you do some of the things you do and discovering like what choices you have within your makeup to potentially do it differently.

Sam Believ: So a lot of people then they come to drink ayahuasca.

They’re really worried that Ayahuasca’s gonna tell them. To dump their partner or divorce their wife and husband. So what you’re saying basically is if you do ask Chad GPT about your compatibility and it says not compatible, it doesn’t mean that you should divorce.

Jessica DiRuzza: I highly recommend not taking relationship advice from chat GTP especially around astrology because what it means to be compatible or not compatible is a deeply subjective personal thing.

For some people, opposites do attract, and that works really well in that sense of completion. And for other people, that doesn’t work for them. So chat might say you’re not compatible because you don’t have these stereotypical, things that we would see when you put the charts together. But really you could be, share karma with this person.

Be soulmates, meant to stay together or meant to stay together for a period of time. Because you have something to work out together. So yeah, I would not use it in that way whatsoever.

Sam Believ: What’s the best Zodiac sign?

Jessica DiRuzza: Oh obviously mine, Capricorn,

Sam Believ: interestingly enough, I’ve always been surrounded by Capricorns.

Jessica DiRuzza: Oh yeah.

Sam Believ: Like roommates, coworkers, friends. My first girlfriend was a Capricorn as well.

Jessica DiRuzza: Yeah. I’ve been with a lot of Tauruses and a lot of my first boyfriend was a Taurus. It’s we’re both earth signs, and so there’s a compatibility there.

There’s a harmony between our signs. It doesn’t necessarily mean that we’re meant to be, romantic partners, but Capricorns and Tauruses tend to be in each other’s lives

Sam Believ: in the same herd.

Jessica DiRuzza: Yeah. And the same herd. Exactly,

Sam Believ: because it’s both who The horny animals.

Jessica DiRuzza: Horny. I like that.

Sam Believ: Who horny from the point of view.

Yeah. Heavy horned. That’s not that kind of podcast. I know another topic you like to talk about and that’s one of the last questions is a neurodivergence. So talk to us what it is and is it also. Predefined by the stars and planets.

Jessica DiRuzza: So neurodiversity means that we all have different brains or different neurotype, and to be neurodivergent means that you have a brain type that is different than the neurotypical brain type.

There’s a certain percentage of the population that’s neurodivergent that would include things like a DHD, autistic bipolar, schizophrenia, dyslexia, Tourettes. And the idea behind it is that it is a natural part of evolution to bring diversity to the human experience, to have different types of brains that processes reality in different types of ways.

And so you. Stars do not tell you or predetermine if you’re neurodivergent. About 90% of it is actually genetic and it runs through family lines. So it’s usually a combination of genetics and then something environmental. I’m neurodivergent, I’m autistic. I come from a lineage of neurodivergence.

It’s very common that your parents or your grandparents are also my daughter’s autistic. It’s a deep passion of mine, and oftentimes people who are neurodivergent and take psychedelics have even more of a psychedelic experience than people who are neurotypical.

Sam Believ: But can you tell by the birth chart if someone is near the bridge or not?

No. Okay. That’s what you said. You cannot tell if they’re autistic or if they’re, yeah. Interesting. ’cause you assume that you know what an autistic person would look and behave and you didn’t, you don’t seem to have those stereotypical characteristics.

Jessica DiRuzza: Yeah, so unfortunately most of us know what it is through stereotypes, and those stereotypes are usually male, white in a certain form of autism.

And also usually you’re seeing it either in the form of a genius or in someone who is, not getting enough support. And so it’s showing in a more kind of challenging or even what they would deem pathological way. Autism also shows up differently in girls and women than it does with boys and men.

And. Women are usually better at masking the autism, and my special interest happens to be people and I’m an extrovert. So those things all combined, it makes it harder unless you really know me to see that I’m autistic.

Sam Believ: Very interesting. Is there anything else you wanna talk about in the topic or you feel pretty complete?

Jessica DiRuzza: I think I feel complete. Is there anything that remains for you that you’re curious about or that you wanna say?

Sam Believ: I asked almost everything I wanted to ask. One, one more thought maybe.

Astrology seems a bit like one of those ancient, like alchemy, occult knowledge. Hermetic knowledge. Is there any connection between those things, or is it on its own? Because I recently you talk about that, like in my birth chart you saw that there’s something about mysticism and spiritual path, which is new for me, but definitely is very strong now in my life.

So now I’ve been reading a lot about those things and, I don’t know, maybe just share if you’re, if you like any of those topics or you learn anything from it or,

Jessica DiRuzza: yeah, I’ll say this too, like you are coming out of a time period where there’s been radical change in your life, like a total awakening and renewal and opening to so many things that you didn’t even know were here or possible before.

And that awakening. Is something that is, a once in a lifetime transit that. Will, have changed your life forever and you’re moving into a time period here in the next few years where your mind is gonna become even more open to new ideas, new realms and realities, including anything dealing with mysticism in the occult.

You see it in your chart, the potential of it, but the time period you’re in is very. Suited for you to pursue it more fully, including things like astrology. But yes, astrology, alchemy, hermeticism, they all come from the same place. And, astrology was considered the original science. I don’t think of it as a science in the modern sense, but the days of the week are named after the planets.

A lot of people think that where we learned to count came from the relationship of the sun and the moon through the Lu Nation cycle. The word. Month comes from the word moon. So our sense of time, our calendar system, this all comes out of astrology. And so there’s so many ways that it’s hiding in plain sight in our everyday lives.

Sam Believ: Anything else you wanna share from my birth chart. Something maybe, hopefully not too explicit.

Jessica DiRuzza: Yeah. Did we ride up against that edge? So I will end with this, which is, right now you’re in what’s called your nodal return, meaning that the north node is come back to the same place it was when you were born.

This happens once every 18 and a half years, and it’s very significant because it directly plays into this time period of your. Ending the last 18 and a half year cycle of your life and you’re starting the next phase, that specifically relates to you coming into a deeper and renewed relationship around both your karma and your destiny.

So the south node is your karma, and the north node is your dharma or your destiny. And so when you’re in this moment of returning, it’s like doors are opening. Or as Joseph Campbell would say, following your bliss to deeper truths about what your soul incarnated in this lifetime to do. And the more that you align yourself with that, the more these doors will open of your destiny into your future so you can grow into your soul’s evolutionary intent.

And part of that for you is the north node is in Pisces, and Pisces is the sign. The Zodiac that most specifically relates to things like mysticism. And so a big part of what your soul is here to do this lifetime is to learn to live into the mystery and mysticism through a whole variety of the healing arts.

Because your soft note is in Virgo, which is more of the part of you that is identified with being skeptical and more scientific, logical, rational, linear, and you’re learning this lifetime, how to balance that out with becoming more intuitive and letting yourself be guided by a more intuitive function than just a logical, rational, linear one.

This time period that you’re in right now is opening you and you’re being called more into that than ever.

Sam Believ: Beautiful. Thank you for giving me all this information. Where can people find more about you? If somebody wants to have, you know them, you tell them that about themselves, and other things.

Where can they find you? How can they get you? I know you don’t do much of that anymore, but your husband does, right?

Jessica DiRuzza: Yeah, my husband Travis, gives astrology readings. He, we both teach it, he does mentoring and counseling for people who want to include astrology into the work or if they just want a reading.

But you can find us@trustpsyche.com and that’s also where you’re gonna find our podcast. And then you can find me on YouTube where I make lots of videos. At Trust Psyche, and then my Instagram is Trust Psyche. So we’re always happy to hear from you, even if you just wanna reach out and say hi or ask a question or you’re looking to, read a book or whatever it is.

Feel free to reach out to us. We always love to hear people from people.

Sam Believ: Beautiful. Jessica, thank you so much for this interview. Thank you for all the knowledge and guys, I will see you in the next episode. I hope you enjoyed this episode. If you’d like to support us and psychedelic Renaissance at large, please follow us and leave us a like wherever it is you’re listening.

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